Morning Coffee: The elite students and no-hopers of Goldman and JP Morgan. Video games professionals are transferring their skills to banking (2024)

If you had been wondering what the balance between fear and greed was among young people today, the statistics on graduate applications to investment banks might shed some light. On the one hand, since this time last year the banks have rapidly and repeatedly increased the salaries they’re offering to new recruits. On the other, a banking career looks somewhat riskier than it did 12 months ago, and publicity about working conditions hasn’t got any better. So, which of the two effects won out?

The answer is … ambiguous. According to data crunched by Financial News, applications to Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse and HSBC were down, while Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan were up on last year, Citi was flat and Bank of America declined to comment. Since there were likely to be some firm-specific perception issues in play – constant bad headlines at CS, geopolitical uncertainty with respect to Hong Kong at HSBC – it looks like kids are still keen on the industry.

But the real question which might be raised from looking at the data might be something more like - do any of these numbers make sense? For Goldman Sachs, the global internship program received 236,000 applications for 3,000 places. At JP Morgan, it was 270,855 applications for 4,604 places, of which 54,000 applications went in for the 480 places in the investment bank. Across the industry, even at the firms which saw slight year-on-year falls, the norm seems to be that the crude percentage chance of getting accepted to an investment banking graduate program is a bit more than 1%, but significantly less than 2%.

By comparison, the acceptance rate at Harvard is 5%, Oxford University is 17.5% and for the Navy SEALs it’s about 6%. This might be considered a good thing for the industry, in so far as it represents a conscious attempt to broaden the pool of applicants and take the very best of the best from a wider range of young people. On the other hand, there needs to be a reality check here – in any given year, does it really seem likely that there are nearly a quarter of a million people graduating who would have a realistic chance of making a career at Goldman Sachs?

And if the answer is no, then the challenge to graduate recruiters is almost impossible. No matter how hard they work, there has to be some degree of arbitrariness in the process by which the mountain of applications is cut down to a manageable number which can be given serious attention. It’s pretty likely that the ones who are accepted are, indeed, among the very best. But when you have so many applications to reject, you can be pretty sure that there are also some great candidates among the ones that got thrown away without a proper look.

No wonder there is such a growth industry in algorithmic scoring, video interviews and artificial intelligence for recruitment. Perhaps it’s the modern equivalent to the process apocryphally used by a famous hedge fund manager, who used to throw applications up in the air and pick up the ones that landed right side up. His reasoning was simple – “the last thing I need are unlucky traders”.

Elsewhere, it’s a bit of a cliché to compare securities trading to a video game. But according to William Archbell, an engineering team lead at Citadel Securities, developing high-performance systems for market making really is like developing video games. And he should know; after a decade in the gaming industry, he left a Microsoft-backed studio to work in finance.

The video game industry is notorious for its working practices, and it does indeed seem that Archbell might be one of the few people in the world able to truthfully say that he went to work for Citadel in search of better work-life balance. But his main insight appears to be that the real difference between trading systems and games is that platforms are “optimised for P&L” rather than “optimised for fun”. Other than that, it’s all C++ and it’s all about user testing, iteration and minimising latency. It almost seems a shame – wouldn’t you like to, just once in a while, use a piece of banking software that had been optimised for fun?

Meanwhile

The intern class of 2022 have been living it up on TikTok, making videos showing the lifestyle, the parties and the free food. There is also a growing number of junior banker/influencers, although they seem to be a bit more cautious about revealing which bank they work for. (Bloomberg)

Sam Trabuco, co-CEO of Alameda Research and right-hand man of Sam Bankman-Fried, has stepped down in order to concentrate on “travelling, visiting friends and family, working on myself and whatnot”; he’s also bought a boat. (Twitter)

Cynics of ESG investment often suggest that the “sustainability” factor is really nothing more than “short oil and gas”. Given that, it’s perhaps understandable that Strive Asset Management has decided to capitalise on the success of its first “Anti-ESG” exchange traded fund by launching another one. Every flight delay seems to mean that the bar runs out of champagne. (Bloomberg)

Although “non-financial misconduct” is an enforcement priority for regulators in the City of London, freedom of information requests reveal that neither the FCA nor the Bank of England has fired anyone for drug or alcohol misuse since 2018. There has been some use of employee support lines (about which they’re understandably reluctant to give details), but very few compulsory drug tests. (Financial News)

As more and more people find clever hacks and premium credit cards which allow them into airport lounges, conditions are getting more and more crowded and unpleasant for the road warriors and investment bankers who regard them as their own turf. (Bloomberg)

A strange story of someone who suffered a traumatic brain injury and found that it made her less inhibited and more outgoing – rather than trying to get her old personality back, she decided to use it as an opportunity for reinvention. (WIRED)

Morning Coffee: The elite students and no-hopers of Goldman and JP Morgan. Video games professionals are transferring their skills to banking (2024)

FAQs

Which is more prestigious Goldman Sachs or J.P. Morgan? ›

Goldman Sachs is widely known as the most prestigious investment bank on Wall Street. The bank's interns receive phenomenal training, hands-on experience, and the opportunity to rotate across many groups and desks.

Why is Goldman Sachs so controversial? ›

The company has been criticized for lack of ethical standards, working with dictatorial regimes, close relationships with the U.S. federal government via a "revolving door" of former employees, and driving up prices of commodities through futures speculation.

What did J.P. Morgan persuade the bankers and financiers to do? ›

In 1907, as several major American financial institutions faced imminent failure that could jeopardize the entire nation, Morgan held a meeting of the nation's leading bankers and financiers. He persuaded them to bail out the failing companies for the sake of the country as a whole.

How prestigious is a Goldman Sachs internship? ›

Goldman Sachs internships are highly competitive. In fact, the bank is estimated to have a 1.5% acceptance rate — that's more selective than Harvard!

Is Goldman harder to get into than Harvard? ›

With an acceptance rate of roughly 4%, it's harder to get into Goldman than it is to get into Harvard or Yale. Let me share how to get a job at Goldman Sachs from someone who did. I worked at Goldman Sachs from 1999 to 2001 in the International Equities department at 1 New York Plaza, Manhattan.

What college does J.P. Morgan hire from the most? ›

However, the big headliner is Manhattan's Baruch College, which has been quietly feeding Wall Street for decades with its finance-heavy curriculum and its close proximity to Wall Street. More Baruch alumni currently work at J.P. Morgan than any other school, according to our research.

Why is Goldman struggling? ›

Until recently, the bank had been dogged by a drumbeat of losses from its unsuccessful stab at consumer banking and soured real estate portfolio, among other problems. Helping the bottom line: Goldman cut 3,200 employees over the course of 2023, a 7 percent trim in its head count.

How prestigious is Goldman? ›

Bankers continue to regard Goldman Sachs as the world's most prestigious bank, followed (as always) by Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan. Credit Suisse and UBS lost the most ground in 2022 while LionTree Advisors' reputation improved the most in the eyes of bankers.

What are the weaknesses of Goldman Sachs? ›

Threats. Market Volatility and Economic Uncertainty: GS operates in an environment where market volatility and economic uncertainty can significantly impact its business segments.

What was the dark history of J.P. Morgan? ›

JPMorgan estimated that between 1831 and 1865, the two banks accepted approximately 13,000 slaves as collateral and ended up owning about 1,250 slaves. An apology was made in compliance with a rule requiring companies to detail past dealings with the slave trade when doing business with the city of Chicago.

How did J.P. Morgan become rich? ›

He made a fortune in railroads. In 1898, Morgan formed the Federal Steel Company. Again he merged with other steel companies, forming the huge United States Steel Corporation. He made another fortune in steel.

How did J.P. Morgan make money by lending money? ›

U.S. HISTORY

The bank made its profits by lending most of these funds to businesses and individuals and charging interest on these loans. Banking regulations required most banks to keep a certain per- centage of their deposits, called re- serves, in ready cash or easily available.

What is the hardest bank to get into? ›

Ex-Goldman Sachs helping train students/recent grads to secure jobs in banking - 90% placement rate to banks like GS, UBS and JP. These are the 10 hardest investment banks to get a job at in the world🌍👇 1. JP Morgan 2. Goldman Sachs 3.

What is the highest paying job at Goldman Sachs? ›

The highest-paying job at Goldman Sachs is a Managing Director with a salary of $604,016 per year (estimate). The lowest-paying job at Goldman Sachs is an AML with a salary of $46,901 per year (estimate). Goldman Sachs employees attributed a compensation and benefits rating of 3.7/5 stars to their company.

Is Goldman Sachs a stressful job? ›

In addition to the long hours, the analysts cited unrealistic deadlines, being ignored in meetings and micromanagement as major sources of stress. Among other things, the analysts said 80 hours per week should be the limit of how much they're expected to work.

Is Goldman Sachs the most prestigious bank? ›

Goldman Sachs & Co.

Another US institution that's a global leader in financial services, Vault ranks Goldman Sachs & Co. as the most prestigious bank to work for. Goldman works with clients ranging from individuals to governments and is a leader in investment banking, securities, and investment management services.

Is J.P. Morgan the most powerful bank? ›

JPMorgan Chase & Co. is an American multinational finance company headquartered in New York City and incorporated in Delaware. It is the largest bank in the United States and the world's largest bank by market capitalization as of 2023.

Which is the top No. 1 bank in the world? ›

JPMorgan Chase

How prestigious is JPM? ›

JPMorgan Chase named one of the top five World's Most Admired Companies. FORTUNE has placed JPMorgan Chase in the top five of its “World's Most Admired Companies” list, ranking #5 in 2024 for the second consecutive year.

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